[2022] NewSim Feedback

[Pumph]

4th & 1 on opponent's 43, my 4th and short go for it is maxed.  I'd always go for it in this situation.  Disappointing that we punted here.

 

1st & 10, 0 yard gain by the offense with an offensive penalty.  It was neither declined (making it 2nd down) or accepted (making it 1st and long).

 

Same thing.

 

Here, down 2 TDs with 6:15 to play, the field goal does not help and we should be going for it.

 

3rd instance of a penalty not being enforced

 

Frustrating to see this one, where a 46-yard gain is declined and the 5-yard penalty is accepted.  I know you mentioned before that it is like the play never happened.  But we do still lose 21 seconds of game time while trying to come from behind late.

[kwheele]

3rd Quarter - Defensive holding should be a 10-yard penalty and automatic first down in NCAA rules.

 

4th quarter - Defensive holding should be a 10- yard penalty and automatic first down

[kwheele]

On the interface for the NFL team, was clicking the practice squad button for those players going on it and clicking yes to confirm. None of the players were removed from the depth chart and all of them were eligible to play. Is this happening to everyone else?

[TuscanSota]

9 hours ago, kwheele said:

On the interface for the NFL team, was clicking the practice squad button for those players going on it and clicking yes to confirm. None of the players were removed from the depth chart and all of them were eligible to play. Is this happening to everyone else?

Fixed

[smackemz]

On the NFL schedule it always just shows the home team. So it appears Pittsburgh is playing themselves Week 1. 

 

Does not do this for college. 

[TuscanSota]

1 hour ago, smackemz said:

On the NFL schedule it always just shows the home team. So it appears Pittsburgh is playing themselves Week 1. 

 

Does not do this for college. 

Fixed.

[Pumph]

Some more penalty fixes:

NCAA - Offensive Pass Interference is a 15-yard penalty.  In my game, 10 yards was administered.

NCAA - Defensive Holding is 10 yards and an automatic 1st down.  5 yards was administered.

 

Also - We had the ball placed at the 25 on a touchback after a punt which is incorrect.  (20)

 

 

Is there a way to implement a yard line of demarcation where the offense will go for it instead of punting?  I had my max FG range as 46 yards.  From the opponent's 30, we did not try the FG, which was correct, but I'd hope we'd go for it instead of punting and getting a 10-yard net after a touchback.  Could it be coded where I say the longest field goal I want to try is 46 yards, but anything inside the opponent's XX yard line (42 for example), I'd automatically go for it instead of punting?  Because I'd much rather go for it than try a FG we can't make or hand the ball to the other team after like a 8-15 yard net punt.

[Pumph]

Similar to my above post

NFL today, we punted from the opponent's 28 yard line.

 

Max FG distance was set to 46.  So we should have attempted the FG.  Instead, an 8-yard net punt.

 

We also punted from the opponent's 30, which given the max FG setting of 46, yes, we would not attempt the FG, but we definitely should have gone for it.  (See my last post for a question about a possible fix)

[smackemz]

33 minutes ago, Pumph said:

Similar to my above post

NFL today, we punted from the opponent's 28 yard line.

 

Max FG distance was set to 46.  So we should have attempted the FG.  Instead, an 8-yard net punt.

 

We also punted from the opponent's 30, which given the max FG setting of 46, yes, we would not attempt the FG, but we definitely should have gone for it.  (See my last post for a question about a possible fix)

Same here.  Pittsburgh first drive we punted from the Baltimore 32.  FG is set to 50, so we should have attempted the FG.  Instead we punted into the end zone for a net 12 yard punt 

[kwheele]

Oh so many things to discuss, but let's start with the most obvious


Several games this weekend - both CFB and NFL - where it was X down & X distance - play results in an offensive holding penalty. The enforcement was not applied but the down was played over from the previous down and distance as if it was off-setting offensive and defensive penalties.

 

Edited June 4, 2023 by kwheele

[kwheele]

Believe the math is off for QB rating calcs

 

[kwheele]

Just noticed on the simNFL page (on desktop mode) that the Thursday Night game score did not populate onto the schedule by week

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[subsequent]

In the Week 1 game between Alabama State and VMI, Arizona State scored a touchdown in their first possession of overtime. VMI kicked a field goal to end the game instead of going for a touchdown. 

[Vivid]

This has been said multiple times but we need to fix the 4th down logic. I would say so much so we should pause the season. People are getting frustrated and will only get worse when this makes some huge differences in games. Teams are going for it on their own side and then punting it on their opponents. It seems that in a 4th down on your own side the sim will take into account your set slider of how much you want to go for it. But then when you cross the 50 and are on your opponents side it will look at your FG distance if you are between yhe 50 and your distance it will punt, if you are in your distance it will try a fg. 
 

I propose a slider of LOS where the sim should consider going for it: between these LOS I would like the sim to consider going for it. Before the set LOS punt it. After the set LOS kick FG.

[subsequent]

- CFB Sat Noon thread generates as "Morning"

- Matchup titles for CFB and NFL threads do not have parenthesis around the records. E.g.  

[smackemz]

I don't think this is the first time I've seen this, but a FG gets blocked by someone on the kicking team. Then it replays the down as a punt 

[acewulf]

0	0	1	11:32	Ohio	1	10	22 Ohio	Pass	QB Jordan Gordon is sacked by DE Freddy Gervacio for -4 yards. .
0	0	1	11:09	Ohio	2	14	18 Ohio	Run	RB Mike Darr carries for 2 yards. Tackled by DT Zac Hicks.
0	0	1	10:35	Ohio	3	12	20 Ohio	Run	RB Mike Darr carries for 4 yards. Tackled by ILB Jordan Virgin.
0	0	1	10:00	Ohio	4	8	24 Ohio	Punt	P Julio Fuller punts for -28 yards. BLOCKED by CB Caris Correa.
2	0	1	9:47	Tulsa	N/A	N/A	35 Tulsa	Kickoff	K Alex Corbett kicks for 66 yards. Fielded 1 yard. deep in the endzone by WR Chase BrownWR Chase Brown returns the ball 24 yards. Ran out of bounds.
2	0	1	9:38	Ohio	1	10	23 Ohio	Pass	QB Jordan Gordon complete to RB Mike Darr for 5 yards. Tackled by CB Yoan Young.

 

Full sequence, but from what I can gather this should have been a safety for me and getting the ball back with a blocked punt.  Ohio gets the ball and 2 points in the 1st quarter.

[kwheele]

Really need to work on the game logic for next season. No coach would give up a 29-yard gain on a defensive penalty of 5 yards (which is wrong I believe, would need to ask @Pumph)  and then attempt a 65-yard FG when max distance is set to 48 yards

 

[subsequent]

Samples from some questionable 4th down calls in the Week 2 Green Bay/Detroit game.

 

4th Down Setting: 50 and 50 for go for it on 4th and short/long

I think main issue is logic with when the team decides to go for it on 4th down, and play choice based on yardage.

 

This one is from Houston/Jacksonville of Week 2

[kwheele]

The game engine logic fallacies on 4th down and kicking will make this game unplayable sooner than later and will cost a lot of teams games because of it, especially when the owner/coaches only have a game plan in name only.

[acewulf]

Unsure why this happened, but Georgia Tech played an OL that didn't account for the best players at their position.  As we move forward, I think it helps all of us to have AI teams play their best players.  In this case, I worry about O'Koyea Landrum and his potential draft stock as an A overall (JR) who might declare.  It only hurts us all if we don't get to see players in the best environment.  Nothing we can do if guys don't have a lot of talent surrounding them, but the AI should be playing it's best players.

Tech has the roster to play a max OL of this: B+, B, B+, B-, B+

Instead they played this: C, C, C, B, B+

[kwheele]

Game ended in a defensive penalty that would have stopped the clock immediately and given the offense a free play or a chance to play the last play

[Bundy]

10 hours ago, acewulf said:

Not sure whether that 4* center is draft material or not, but would be nice to get him on the field since he's A, their best overall C, B, a senior, and C, might get someone interested in the GT roster and switch to coaching them in the future

[Pumph]

On 6/15/2023 at 12:18 PM, kwheele said:

Game ended in a defensive penalty that would have stopped the clock immediately and given the offense a free play or a chance to play the last play

More likely though....they decline the penalty since the game was in-hand and they just mercifully end the game, not risk injury/turnover by running another play.  But yes, you may very well be right that this same thing may happen with a different game scenario, like the offense being down 1 score or less and not getting a chance to have another play.

[smackemz]

I would like to propose that redshirt progression modifier gets an update.  

Currently if a player is redshirted their progression is always negatively modified.  This artificially extends the timeline for bad teams to improve their talent, and forces teams to consider playing not-ready to play blue chip freshman just so they can get a reasonable progression.  

 

My recommendation is that when redshirts get progressed - their modifier randomly falls anywhere between the current redshirt rate and the starting modifier rate.  

I think this could be a beneficial change for a few reasons. 

1st - I don't think every player who redshirts irl automatically improves less because of that.  They are still practicing, focusing on improving their body, etc.  I think it's reasonable to expect that some redshirts would improve just as much as a player who was thrust into action before they are ready.  

2nd - this change wouldn't really really have a negative impact. The main driver for their improvement is their hidden progression attribute - this just provides a chance that the redshirt player won't always have a negatively modified progression

3rd - this could potentially shorten that long road to roster rebuild while providing the coach with better flexibility in roster construction.